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    #16
    As a druid I'm asked to skip Auberdine at lvl 12 and do the death run to Ironforge to do quests there. WTF???!

    A big part of being a druid is to get rep with Darnassus to get my racial mount. So your guide is pretty much useless after lvl 12.

    That's not cool Zygor!

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      #17
      Originally posted by Zygor Admin View Post
      1. The Barrens does not have enough quests to level without grinding. This is a design limitation of the game, not the guides. So we had to decide what to do there, and we felt telling people "now grind to the next level" constantly for huge chunks of the XP bar in a paid for guide wasn't satisfying. So we opted to send players somewhere they could get more quests. Just to weigh options, how would you feel if instead of sending you to these places the guide presented you with the option to either grind out the rest of the level or travel somewhere else to do a few more quests before coming back?
      This isn't just the Barrens man. I have been leveling on TWITCH with ZYGOR guides the whole time and just leveling a HUMAN it has me going between 3-4 zones and for what reason? Surely you're not using the logic for the 'Barrens' as everywhere else?

      I'm in LAKERIDGE and haven't even done the escort quest for Westfall. At no point did it make me get the HOGGER quest. I assume I won't get WANTED posters in LAKERIDGE either.

      But during the WESTFALL quests, BOOM go to DARKSHORE.

      YES DARKSHORE.

      And there is NO REASON, ZERO to tell me to grind levels unless the next quest giver is too high level for me to accept.

      I left Elwyn Forrest without ever killing anything over in EASTVALE LOGGING CAMP.

      I don't get where the disconnect is? I know I fly around to turn in quests for some but this splitting it up sucks. It really does. Do one level in WESTFALL, go to DARKSHORE, level, go BACK to WESTFALL, level, go to LAKERIDGE, level, go back to WESTFALL.

      That's what I'm doing this morning. I should've STAYED IN WESTFALL.
      Last edited by scelerogaming; August 29, 2019, 10:11 AM.

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        #18
        Originally posted by scelerogaming View Post
        This isn't just the Barrens man. I have been leveling on TWITCH with ZYGOR guides the whole time and just leveling a HUMAN it has me going between 3-4 zones and for what reason? Surely you're not using the logic for the 'Barrens' as everywhere else?

        I'm in LAKERIDGE and haven't even done the escort quest for Westfall. At no point did it make me get the HOGGER quest. I assume I won't get WANTED posters in LAKERIDGE either.

        But during the WESTFALL quests, BOOM go to DARKSHORE.

        YES DARKSHORE.

        And there is NO REASON, ZERO to tell me to grind levels unless the next quest giver is too high level for me to accept.
        I'll consult with the guide writing team on these concerns but just to address a few things now:

        Are you expecting to go to a zone and do all the quests there before moving to the next zone like it is on Retail, because the design of Classic is not like that. There are times in a zone where you'll need to go between zones and do quests there, or stay in the zone and grind. Our current approach uses the "prefer to go somewhere else and do quests" method. If you dislike traveling, you could skip ahead and see if the guide will eventually lead you back to your present zone and continue there. Just know that if you reach a point in that guide where you can't accept anymore quests thats the signal that you'll need to grind until you're high enough to accept them, or you'll need to go back and do the quests in the other zones we were gonna have you do.

        The quest with Hogger is an elite mob that is not easily solable by all classes outside of a group. Also, that mob used to take forever to respawn (not sure if that's been changed). It's possible that was the reason this quest was avoided.
        Zygor Guides Creative Director

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          #19
          Originally posted by Zygor View Post
          On the Horde, there is a drought of quests in the late 20's and early 30's, which would require you to grind a LOT in those levels to prevent enemies from being too high level for most classes to comfortably handle without excessive eating/drinking. We added a lot more quests in the earlier levels to get you to a higher level before that drought happens, so that it's not a sudden jump in difficulty and grinding. Once you get to that level range, there's a lot less back and forth between zones like there is in the lower levels.

          The decision we had to make is a choice between 2 imperfect options:
          1. Additional travel times with more questing, to reduce the amount of mindless long grind sessions to account for the later drought in quests.
          2. Have longer grind sessions built into the guide.

          Neither of these options are perfect, and won't feel great to all people. So we had to choose what we thought would feel best for most classes in the game, and most players, when most people do not enjoy grinding on mobs for really long amounts of time.

          Maybe we should do a poll to see what people would prefer to do. Little amounts of traveling in lower levels, or long grinding sessions throughout the guide?
          It's incredible how much thought you guys put into making these guides. I love it! You're making my questing experience be so much easier and more fun!

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            #20
            For me, it's interesting to see that in Classic, the level of the mobs varies widely even in the same zone; especially the Barrens. I'm glad you guys have me going to the right place at the right time, when the mobs are at or below my level. It's great!

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              #21
              I would advise that you choose the guide that equals FASTEST time to 60.. if its grinding, grind, if its questing, quest... if its a combination of both.. do that.... I use the guide for speed of leveling.. Right now it feels like the traveling is a little overboard, but if that is the fastest, thats what I am paying for.

              my 2c

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                #22
                Originally posted by vlalkor View Post
                I would advise that you choose the guide that equals FASTEST time to 60.. if its grinding, grind, if its questing, quest... if its a combination of both.. do that.... I use the guide for speed of leveling.. Right now it feels like the traveling is a little overboard, but if that is the fastest, thats what I am paying for.

                my 2c
                We've never been about being the "fastest" guide. We aim to be a fast guide while being fun and enjoyable. Fastest would mean you need to be playing only as select classes (because some classes level faster than others), don't loot non-quest related items, die on purpose at certain times, avoid professions while leveling (leaving no gold for spells/mounts), ect., and yes, grind endlessly, all things that take away from the enjoyment of the game.
                Zygor Guides Creative Director

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Zygor Admin View Post
                  We've never been about being the "fastest" guide. We aim to be a fast guide while being fun and enjoyable. Fastest would mean you need to be playing only as select classes (because some classes level faster than others), don't loot non-quest related items, die on purpose at certain times, avoid professions while leveling (leaving no gold for spells/mounts), ect., and yes, grind endlessly, all things that take away from the enjoyment of the game.
                  right now its not fast at all. people without guides are going faster.

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                    #24
                    I haven't read most of the other posts but I imagine it's all along the same lines as to how lackluster the guide is. I've been using Zygor and been a paid subscriber for a while, maybe since I returned to play the game at the start of Legion. I've always enjoyed Zygor and the flexibility it provides if you're either skipping stuff or changing routes. This particular guide has no flexibility whatsoever. I disabled it because it was sending me to Silverpine and to be honest, no one actually does Silverpine because we know the bulk of the quests needed to be done are at Barrens. Sadly, I have a paid in-game addon that I've had to disable and I'm using Questie just to get things done. I would've at least expected that the guide would've been put together having areas in mind e.g (Needles, Barrens, Feralas, Tanaris) with leveling 12-16,17-20, 21-25 details for each given area but unfortunately it doesn't which in my opinion is very strange for Zygor. Normally if I wanted to go and blast out an area it would give me the level requirements for that area and allow me to do the quests available. This does not provide any of that flexibility and alot of the travelling or waypoints are incorrect. Classic doesn't give you the means to travel freely. It actually hurts you when you have to pay 1 silver to fly somewhere after training your spells to find out that the waypoint destination is incorrect and you have to run all the way to the barrens from thunderbluff after having just left there minutes later. This guide is very bad and I'm seriously looking at dropping my subscription unless something is done about it. The subscription fee is fairly expensive if the value in the guide is not provided, in this particular case you guys fall very short.

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                      #25
                      Why not add dungeons into the leveling guide. say around level 14 get people to do all the quests leading up to a dungeon and then say find a group for X dungeon.

                      That will clear alot of the grinding. one clear of RFC, and one Clear of WC with all pre-req quest done will kill so much grinding

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by exius View Post
                        Why not add dungeons into the leveling guide. say around level 14 get people to do all the quests leading up to a dungeon and then say find a group for X dungeon.

                        That will clear alot of the grinding. one clear of RFC, and one Clear of WC with all pre-req quest done will kill so much grinding
                        Our guides have always been catered to the solo questing experience. Of course, there's nothing preventing someone from choosing to go do dungeons instead at the points where we tell players to grind.
                        Zygor Guides Creative Director

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Zygor Admin View Post
                          Our guides have always been catered to the solo questing experience. Of course, there's nothing preventing someone from choosing to go do dungeons instead at the points where we tell players to grind.
                          Yes, and please keep it that way - we don't all want to do dungeons

                          Personally, I'm happy with the Classic guides. Sure, there are a few rough edges here and there but they'll get fixed, as usual. Classic, for me, is about taking it easy and not rushing to 60. I like to explore and see the world how it used to be, so I'm fine with the travelling between zones. The corpse run from Auberdine to Loch Modan was a nice surprise

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                            #28
                            I'm very disappointed in this guide. The leveling are chosen very stupid and with too much useless running. Why can't you just add guides by locations instead of this 15-20 and 20-25 ranges? Come to the new location, start zone guide and do all the useful quests. Why should I run and sail to another continent when there are plenty of quests available nearby?

                            Worst guide I've ever seen. Unsubscribe. Questie and Guidelime is much more useful and it's free.

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                              #29
                              The classic guides suck!

                              Needs a complete re-write in my opinion. Leveling by hand naturally with a quest helper (questie, etc) would be far more optimal. Very disappointing. Been a loyal fan of Zygor for a long time. The defensive responses from staff regarding this feedback are not the best either.

                              For me it's not even about speed leveling. It's about taking an optimized route to leveling and "following the arrow". You assume the guide knows best and might even show you a trick or two along the way. This is not the case here anymore. Especially in comparison to retail Zygor guides. This guide had me running to weird places, grinding to a level while there were tons of quests right nearby, or which should have told me to grind those specific mobs at the same time. It was clear to me the person writing the guide had no idea what they were doing. No offense. Maybe the Alliance version is better?

                              I hope that Zygor listens to our feedback and simply chooses to improve the guides over time, rather than try and defend their stance.

                              Okay, now back to WoW Classic:

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by apoclypse View Post
                                1. The defensive responses from staff regarding this feedback are not the best either.

                                2. Maybe the Alliance version is better?
                                1. Yeah.. I'm not buying the defensive responses either.. There are so many of your users that are paying a subscription telling you the same thing.. WE DON'T WANT 1-13/14-20 etc.. WE WANT AREAS.

                                2. Not a chance bud the Alliance ones sucks just as much.

                                I've been using the guides for more than 10 years and I've never seen such a big pile of crap. The majority of posts here saying to use free Questie addon surely this is telling you something??? Suppose I'll get a naff answer back to this as well, no doubt!

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